Comments on: God Gave Wine. What the Bible Says about Alcohol. Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr. http://blog.2sparrows.org/2007/05/22/god-gave-wine-what-the-bible-says-about-alcohol-kenneth-l-gentry-jr/ Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:43:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: seanb724 http://blog.2sparrows.org/2007/05/22/god-gave-wine-what-the-bible-says-about-alcohol-kenneth-l-gentry-jr/#comment-1365 seanb724 Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:43:06 +0000 http://www.2sparrows.org/blog/2007/05/22/god-gave-wine-what-the-bible-says-about-alcohol-kenneth-l-gentry-jr/#comment-1365 Steve, I don't have the answers to these questions. There was a recent post over at parchment and pen, one of my favorite theological blogs, that may interest you: http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2010/07/how-much-is-too-much-alcohol-and-the-christian/ Read through the comments there, not just the post, to see all the different views out there! I would have to agree with your point about alcohol affecting each body differently, which in turn means you will have to learn on your own where the limit is. Or just follow this sage advice from George Herbert. :-) Drink not the third glasse, which thou canst not tame, When once it is within thee; but before Mayst rule it, as thou list; and poure the shame, Which it would poure on thee, upon the floore. It is most just to throw that on the ground, Which would throw me there, if I keep the round. Steve, I don’t have the answers to these questions. There was a recent post over at parchment and pen, one of my favorite theological blogs, that may interest you:

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2010/07/how-much-is-too-much-alcohol-and-the-christian/

Read through the comments there, not just the post, to see all the different views out there!

I would have to agree with your point about alcohol affecting each body differently, which in turn means you will have to learn on your own where the limit is. Or just follow this sage advice from George Herbert. :-)

Drink not the third glasse, which thou canst not tame,
When once it is within thee; but before
Mayst rule it, as thou list; and poure the shame,
Which it would poure on thee, upon the floore.
It is most just to throw that on the ground,
Which would throw me there, if I keep the round.

]]> By: Steve http://blog.2sparrows.org/2007/05/22/god-gave-wine-what-the-bible-says-about-alcohol-kenneth-l-gentry-jr/#comment-1364 Steve Tue, 27 Jul 2010 05:18:35 +0000 http://www.2sparrows.org/blog/2007/05/22/god-gave-wine-what-the-bible-says-about-alcohol-kenneth-l-gentry-jr/#comment-1364 I have two questions. The first is a general question of where does the Bible (God) draw the line at drunkeness? How much under the influence is too much? Does the Bible only mean the "gladden" of our hearts means I have drank enough "wine" to surpass what my liver can metablolize and have it enter my circulatory system, pass the blood/brain barrier and now alter my neurology in certain amounts? With other express sins, the lines are drawn well such as sexual immorality and murder. Especially those two in light of Jesus' teachings on those from looking at a woman lustfully to having hate in your heart towards another. My second question is what does Paul mean in Ephesians 5:18 when he uses the word "muthosko" for drunk intead of "methuo". The difference being that the first is verb talking about the process the leads to becoming drunk, and the second is also a verb that means your are drunk? By having it contrasted by being under the influence of the Holy Spirit as opposed to under the influence of alcohol, I again reference my first question of where is the line? Alcohol effects every body type differently as it pertains to metabolization. So does God care if I "experiment" with alcohol and will he mind if I "accidentally" go over His limit? Does one sin really matter? Never mind the fact that Paul admonishes us to abstain from all APPEARANCE of evil. I have two questions. The first is a general question of where does the Bible (God) draw the line at drunkeness? How much under the influence is too much? Does the Bible only mean the “gladden” of our hearts means I have drank enough “wine” to surpass what my liver can metablolize and have it enter my circulatory system, pass the blood/brain barrier and now alter my neurology in certain amounts? With other express sins, the lines are drawn well such as sexual immorality and murder. Especially those two in light of Jesus’ teachings on those from looking at a woman lustfully to having hate in your heart towards another.

My second question is what does Paul mean in Ephesians 5:18 when he uses the word “muthosko” for drunk intead of “methuo”. The difference being that the first is verb talking about the process the leads to becoming drunk, and the second is also a verb that means your are drunk? By having it contrasted by being under the influence of the Holy Spirit as opposed to under the influence of alcohol, I again reference my first question of where is the line?

Alcohol effects every body type differently as it pertains to metabolization. So does God care if I “experiment” with alcohol and will he mind if I “accidentally” go over His limit? Does one sin really matter? Never mind the fact that Paul admonishes us to abstain from all APPEARANCE of evil.

]]> By: breeves_2000 http://blog.2sparrows.org/2007/05/22/god-gave-wine-what-the-bible-says-about-alcohol-kenneth-l-gentry-jr/#comment-54 breeves_2000 Wed, 23 May 2007 17:30:36 +0000 http://www.2sparrows.org/blog/2007/05/22/god-gave-wine-what-the-bible-says-about-alcohol-kenneth-l-gentry-jr/#comment-54 Interesting. I've done a pretty in depth study on this years back, but had not heard of this book. If ever there was a verse to be taken out of context on this subject, this would be the one! Proverbs 31:6&7 :-) So many Christian teachings are based on what I term "selective belief." Many of these teachings were galvanized during the periods when the various denominations were being formed. I think for a more thorough understanding, one should investigate the original writings and context. Translations and subsequent hermeneutics open the door to more rampant subjectivity. Before I get on a long-winded soap box, I'll finish with my motto for life: "Know what you believe, but more importantly, know WHY you believe it!" - Ben Reeves Interesting. I’ve done a pretty in depth study on this years back, but had not heard of this book. If ever there was a verse to be taken out of context on this subject, this would be the one!
Proverbs 31:6&7 :-)
So many Christian teachings are based on what I term “selective belief.” Many of these teachings were galvanized during the periods when the various denominations were being formed. I think for a more thorough understanding, one should investigate the original writings and context. Translations and subsequent hermeneutics open the door to more rampant subjectivity.
Before I get on a long-winded soap box, I’ll finish with my motto for life: “Know what you believe, but more importantly, know WHY you believe it!” – Ben Reeves

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